Retro IPA

Oh the changes IPAs have gone thru in such a short time. The difference between one today and one from 20 years ago is very different. There used to be a malt component to them. Hops, yes, but there was malt to give it a little balance.

This is not the case any more. There was an arms race in on the hop side that changed IPA, and left everything one sided. But I want those forgotten IPAs. So lets get one going that have the roots of the past versions, but with maybe a bit of newer.

As you can see this is really just a old recipe I had that I swapped a few things to make it feel a bit modern but keep the original body and malt tones.

The bittering hop was Chinook and I changed to the Summit. So the IBU did go up a bit. And the Midnight Wheat used to be Black malt, so we won’t be getting and of the roast bleeding through.

And I will note that I did forget to adjust this recipe from my use of a mash tun to the Mash and Boil that I am using today,, so I am going to expect a bit less efficiency.

Normally I would be expecting around 1.060 for the OG using my tun. But pretty sure the MB will give me 1.054. I could easily add a bit more 2 row, but I probably won’t.

Next up going to be a saison. The snow shoveling months are coming so I will be needing an easy going beer, since all I seem to have right now are bigger ones.

Learn to Brew Day Saison

When the Saisons started showing up on shelves I wasn’t a fan of them. Those yeast profiles just were not my thing. But the rest of the dryness, sometimes spiciness really stuck out for me. And I eventually found that I kinda liked them.


So I have brewed a few here and there, and changed some things to get back to where I like this style, since its very hard to find a plain ol’ Saison nowadays. No fruits, no spices, no nothing.

I use a regular old US two row malt. I think it lets the other things like the wheat and Saaz hops poke through a little more. Rye malt is great here as well, just don’t get crazy with it. It would cover up a lot in this bare bones version. 


Get your bittering somewhere in the 25-30 range. Been using Tettnang hops for my smaller batches or Target hops for bigger batches just because of the bigger bang for the buck Alpha. These give a decent amount of that earthy Saison thing without standing out. Saaz hops for the late editions is almost mandatory for me. They seem to work best if kept around the 10-15 minute range.

And probably the most important ingredient in a Saison…the yeast. I’m not one for the big blasts of banana, so I stick with the Belle Saison dry yeast. It only has a bit of background banana, but it gets almost a black pepper and lemon/orange thing going when purposely underpitched. Ferments fairly dry, but not nutz. But it doesnt like to clear all that well. But hey,, thats fine in this beer!

I wouldn’t usually even consider adding fruit, but for some reason raspberry just feels like it would work here. Small amounts though. Raspberry is pretty powerful and this is a very light profiled recipe.

Any way,,, this is what I’ll be brewing this Saturday for the 2020 “Learn to Brew Day” Check out my gallon version.

3 gallon Saison OG 1.054, 30 IBU  
-5 lbs US 2 row
-½ lb crystal 10L
-½ lb  wheat malt red or white (malt,, not flaked wheat)
-1oz tettnang hops @60
-1oz Saaz at 10 min
-¼ packet Belle Saison yeast. (we are trying to stress it a bit for character. Don’t worry, that’s more than enough yeast)
Mash at 150. Ferment a bit higher than normal.. 70F

May not be “traditional” in a strict sense, but it’s what I want in a Saison.

My Kviek Uses

Seems like out of nowhere Kviek yeast blasted onto the radar of homebrewers and now craftbrewers. Its the Norwegian Farmhouse yeast that has crazy temperature tolerances.


Brewers were claiming it to be producing clean ales and even “lagers” at temps reaching into the 90sF or even higher! And being done in as little as two days.

Sounds almost too good to be true. But the reports kept coming. So I finally gave it a few tries. My garage would be the perfect place to let it rip at 90 degrees. 

The best way to test new ingredients is of course to keep them as simple as possible, so a SmaSh beer (Single Malt and Single Hop) fits perfectly. I went with Munich malt, Magnum hops, and Hornindal Kviek.
This was August. Middle of summer. My garage, and everything else is in the 90s now. I get the beer brewed and the liquid Kviek pitched. Just have to wait for the “explosion” that’s supposed to happen.

Fizzle… Nadda. First day there was nothing. You could just see the yeast clump laying on the bottom of the carboy. Just as I had figured this was gonna work. I’ll just let it sit just to make sure. 

Day two was a completely different story. Nearly up and out of the 6.5 gallon carboy, and churning so hard the bench was rumbling. And then by day 3 it was nearly completely stopped. Day 4 everything dropped and halfway done clearing. Well,, as clear as Kviek gets. (More on that shortly)

Tasting notes from the first batch were just as people said it would be. Fruity and bright. No off flavors like you would expect from high temp ferment. But murky. Like a mud bomb went off in the carboy. And that yeast taste hung around in the keg for quite a while. But when it finally dropped it was very clean tasting. But never quite clear.

The second batch was Voss Kviek. Again a SmaSh, Munich, saaz, Voss. Again in the 90s
Pretty much right down the same stages as the Hornindal. A day of lag, then a day of violent ferment, then everything falls out and starts to clear by day 3. 

Same results. Fruity, but a different fruity this time. More like fruit salad, but bright. And again muddy looking. And still yeasty tasting until the keg drops clear.. or clearer. It don’t really become clear. Not as hazy as a New England, but close.

One thing to note is that this yeast makes a ton of sludge. There must be two inches of yeast at the bottom. And seeing that, I wanted to try and save some. And I did what I read the farmers did to save this yeast. Dry it.


I grabbed a spruce branch right off the tree and swabbed it in the yeast cake and hung it in the garage. At 90F and a ceiling fan, it dried very quickly.

The next batch I made the beer as normal, and just took this stick of dried yeast, which you can see is pretty small. Like 3 inches or so. And chucked in into the wort. 

This time we had activity going much sooner than pitching the liquid. But it did the same crazy ferment and drop as the other had.
Still dirty. But I’d say not as bad. But still it never really clears in the keg. Same tastes same aromas. 

Come to find out that alot of people are getting better ferments by really under pitching. Using ¼ packet. Seems to help with the lag and esters.

And drying the cake is really popular for saving this yeast. Spread it in a pan, let it dry, break into pieces, freeze till needed, then just pitch a few dry hunks.

This yeast has some good qualities to it for sure. Some might not like that its never clear, I don’t mind. And there are more and more varieties out almost weekly. 
There are many experiments that need to be done with these Kvieks, like the different profiles they give at different temps. Some say they are like having 3 different yeasts in the same package.

I’m gonna have to find out